So, FOX won't die...

I think I'm doing something wrong.

I wrote inside ROAD.FLS file the following lines:

button 40 shift_up
button 41 shift_down

and XFG.lfs is assigned for this file with a line like this:

run road

But the stick does not responde in game, and I can't choose any other key in the menu since I changed these files.

So what I'm doing wrong?

TIA,

Silvio

Hi people,

Please, I need a tip for m y Momo: how do I make to have a script where I set controler for shift up/down for automatically change between the cars I choose? I mean, I'd like to choose the stick for road and gtr cars, and paddles for formulas.

I know there is a way to do that but I don't know how. Could someone explain me in a short way?

Thank you very much,

Silvio Camolesi

I simply loved the new side view format.

I suggest to have 135° too, cause in fact we can look back in this angle.

My format to use the side view would be:

You press the button one time and you look to 45°. If you press it a second time in a short time after release, no matter how long you had held the button before, in a time that you could adjust in the menu, you look 90°. If you press again in the same short time you look 135°. This should work perfectly and once you get used it would be very usefull.

BTW I got a Trackir but I don't like to use it too much. I prefer the static side views for more consistent behavior.

I also suggest to have the option to one look preference (old format) and the angle you want.

So you could adjust one look and 80°.

Scawen just have to substitute the integral values by variables and leave them in the menu, in steps of 5°, between two limit values, such as 45 min and 135 max. I think it is not too hard to implement.

Last edited by Speed Soro, Wed 12 Dec 2007, 20:08.

There are too many formulas in LFS right now and I don't see it is good for the consistence of the servers and the community.

I also believe that slower cars give closer races, with less accidents, less stress and more fun.

And it is a real-life based car, which is more attractive (BTW, it is time to start having some real-life tracks too )

Again, of course it is just my opinion, but I won't see any problem forgeting the FOX.

But formulas are for single class championship...

But lets be honest, there are many dead cars in LFS right now, and we like them, but don't use them: RAC, LX4, MRT, FZ5, UFR.

FOX, F8 and BF1 for me are dead cars (the last two always were). Of course it is just my preferences.

I would prefer a well designed, with better textures and more cockpit details of a small bunch of cars than a enourmous variety of cars that nobody play.

It's supposed to think that the new BMW, mainly because it's a representation of a real car, could kill the FOX?

Or not?

Quote from ATHome :

Yes, it takes longer than we all want.
Yes, we all want some new content to play with.

But at least this isn't nkRipoff. My guess is some people here would sit in an corner of an room and crying about how unfair it was from kunos to rip off their money. They soon going to write poems about it und dyeing their hair black and getting weird haircuts.

And my guess is that is a LFS forum, not NKP, but I guess the majority of those who payed for NKP and still wait are not concerning about the ridiculous money they spent with.

We wait for a stable netcode and some fixes, not to worth the money, but to honor the great feeling and feedback that this game give us and cannot be enjoyed due the lacks.

Quote from JTbo :

I still don't understand why there is need for something new to be able to enjoy from LFS?

You can have tons of fun races in current state of LFS, isn't racing why we play ?

And who said that LFS is not enough fun and enjoyable?

Exactly because IT IS so funny and addicting is that we would like to see many new features that could increase the experience.

Do you remember the black windows from S1?

I don't think anyone here would choose to come back to that ages. And yes, S1 was too funny, but S2 is too much better.

What we want is that: those kind of progress that you can really feel in your steering wheel and see in your screen.

While this is not up, lets wait and playing with we have. Why not?

Col,

I think many people would be happy to see any graphical improvements, and some new garnishes such as losing parts and breakable glasses.

Of course there are some important things to implement or improve, like the engine and brake behavior (stalling under bad clutch use, overheating, etc), but those simple things (is that simple? I really don't know, I just guess it is easier than physics implementations) could give a new gas to the game (apart from being a simulator it is still a video game).

Anyway it is what it is, let's wait.

The prophet says: who live will see.

I think if Scavier are working in LFS, they may have too much work to do instead of losing their time in forum chat or releasing little test patches...

Physics is not a easy thing to develop, and to update the artwork of the cars and tracks is not less hard-working. If, of course, they are working in such things...

S2 is a huge step forward related to S1, and it is not ready yet. Let's wait. After NKP I completely lose my sense of hurry

Your monitor is LCD?

Cause if it is a LCD it must to work in native resolution, or you must to accept a lower quality.

If it is CRT, so the problem is with the driver. If you installed a new version of the video driver, uninstall it and reinstall to a earlier version back. If you are using an old version, install a new one.

And yes, your vga is a bit old, but it should work with no problems in LFS.

I think this information is available in some readme, but I'm looking for a fast answer, so if someone could tell me how large must be the broadband (up/down) for 32 drivers to play with no risk of lose connections and if there is any important detail to be observed when choosing a provider.

TIA

Silvio

Quote from Gabkicks :

what are the stats for rfactor? how much larger is the lfs community than rfactor's?

Unhappíly I cant perform a search in the RSC forum, but two years ago I opened a thread with the title " I'm 42, and you?" and after some days I made a pizza graph where the distribution of the age showed that the average simdrivers of that community was around 35-40 old.

That thread was active more than one year after its initial date, and grew a lot, and the average age remained the same.

About the numbers of the rF community I really don't know where to find.

I belong much more to the LFS community than rF, but one thing I know: just like me, there are many people who belong to both and more, and the average age tends to increase, cause the firsts teenagers are getting old and them don't leave the simracing.

Other thing that for me is a fact cause I have heard and lived with (but I have no numbers to affirm my assumption), is that LFS community is one that less has grown, except a little vegetative growing. I repeat, this information is just my feelings, being a LFS player for 3 years and living togheter. But I'd like to see numbers to confirm.

And the reason that had made people leave LFS is the veeeeeery slow development in those things that people really expects, such as physics and new tracks.

For me, worse than LFS development it is just NKP development. At least Scawen is alive and talking with us...

But, if it is the plan, it is the plan.

I think Intel has made a correct choice with rFactor. It looks better, sounds better, and runs better with Core 2 Duo hehehe. Who mind if it has or not better force feedback

There is people thinking that S3 will be for free...

rF x LFS is an old discussion, and it is really idiot to discuss, mainly considering this is a LFS place and the voices are not fair distributed, but there are things that CANNOT BE SAID:

"Has anyone ever tried to find a pick-up race in GTR? RFactor? Goodluck, virtually every server is passworded and you must be a member of a club to gain entry. Then if you do manage to find a server chances are they are not going to be good drivers because the good ones are all on the club servers..."

There is no one unique time that I cannot get in a server every time I start any game above!

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"But what you would except when majority of players are immature hormone driven teens or even younger kids that don't have never even driven cars, then there is few exceptions again."

Another lie. The majority of players of rfactor, gtr2 and gtl community are made of mature users, many of them more than 40 old, and many drivers from real racing world. Here in brazil LFS community is made in its majority by teenagers while rF and GTR is the opposite, and I think this is a fact in the rest of the world.

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"ISI is a full blown corporation, who's #1 goal is to fill their coffers."

They dont sell t-shirts, pass for dl skins or stuffs like that. They make a good simulator, with better netcode and free for mod. If they are a bit more smart than LFS team to make money it is an advantage for them, not a reason for shame or critics.

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Quote from Gabkicks :

the devs can get more people on their team. they dont want people on their team because they have a plan already and they want to do things their selves. plus we don't know what goes on behind scenes.

Do they have a plan? Could you tell me what plan is that? Cause I'm hearing about this bs for 3 years and I still don't know what plan they have, but I'd like to know.

ISI has a plan, and have followed it since the begin.

Once I ask god what was his plan, but I was fulminated here by his angels. You must never ask god what is his plan, and you must never doubt!

Yesterday I got a new monitor. It is a Samsung 19" wide, and now playing at resolution of 1440 x 900 pixels the sense of speed has increased a lot.

I think a 3head solution can give this sense of speed better, but the idea is good, and if is not too hard to implement, maybe someone could give it a try... Scawen!!! any chance?

Quote from th84 :

crapfactor = a real simulator?? illepall


:ices_rofl

Please...

Quote from Austin31287 :

19 and can drive but no licence ^^

And have you ever played a real simulator before? I mean, GPL, Nascar 2003, GTR 1 or 2, rFactor, GTL, LFS or Netkar?

In opposite to any guys here said, the lack of sense of speed is more about LFS than others simulators.

rFactor has a much better sense of speed using artifacts like wheel (force feedback) and cockpit (graphical) vibration and a fullbodied sound.

The Juls idea is a great idea and makes very sense.

The idea is simple and I have used the same principle to have a better impression of speed in LFS, but I don't work in the fov.

I simply turn off the cockpit draw. Once you have the track on the bottom of your screen the speed with which it crosses this end line is too much faster than the speed it crosses the line at the bottom of your windshield.

You can compare it with real life experience easyli: drive a kart and drive a truck or bus at same speed and you think that kart is too much faster than the truck, cause in the kart your eyes are next to the ground and there the impression is that the things passes too much faster.

What Juls is trying to make is move the same effect to lateral. You can get the same feel if you just go in a real car: put your two hands covering the lateral of your eyes and just look ahead, and you'll not figure how fast you are going. Then free your vision and turn your eyes to the side and the speed will increase a lot.

In fact, when the objects are in the edge of your fov, the speed tends to infinite, so, more larger fovs, more sense of speed obviously.

Despite of this idea makes sense, it is not supposed to be good in a practical way. Maybe it goes well with larger screens but not in a 4:3 monitor.

But it should be given a try to that. It sounds promising for some configurations.

And of course, along with this, a more deep sound and some fake effects could help a lot too (of course I know that canned effects are not in the plans, so I dispense any aggressive commentary from the LFS patrollers).

Last edited by Speed Soro, Thu 5 Jul 2007, 17:59.

Austin,

First of all answer if you have ever played a simulator instead of an arcade racing game.

If you have never done this before, be prepared to find another experience.

Keep in mind that you have to drive like you'd do in real life.

How old are you? Have you driven a real car already?

Cause if you have no experience with real cars, or simulators, you'll find hard to get used in the firsts days.

Do what people here has suggested: watch replays from the others and try to be smooth. Don't push too hard any control, pedals, wheel, shifter.

You can get very fast with RACE-S setups that come with the game. And don't change those setups. Create new ones if want to test any change.

Be online on the servers, and ask for help. There is always people who will stop playing to help you. Always.

It is just a case of get used. Don't worry, don't give up and sooner than you think you'll be on the way.

Don't try to be so fast as the others in track, in the begin. Just try to stay on the track and do not to disturb the other drivers.

And when you get back to S2, go to servers with less people. You'll have less chance to disturb someone, and more chance to be helped.

Post your thoughts and let us know how is going your improvement.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Fair enough, not the ENTIRE community but quite a large part of it, but nevermind...
Can you point me some links please to the Real feel plugin and the best mod for it, so i can try it out myself?

http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=291072

Techade, I'm one of the many who had follow your work with RFP on the RSC forum, and if I had one word to describe your initiative it would be "fantastic".

But I still cannot feel the same response that I feel with LFS. I think maybe rFactor needs the FFB like it is originally made to fit with its physics engine. Or maybe RFP is still in a stage that has not shown its entire capability. Or mods, even Caterham, are still not well designed or whatever. I know nothing for sure. I'm just supposing things to justify that I cannot feel the same feedback yet.

But I'm not saying that LFS has better physics than rFactor. I really don't know how tho judge this, cause I feel it good sometimes and not good sometimes.

We could say that in LFS, being the FFB a raw feedback from the suspension reactions, the suspension and tyres must to be working wery well, cause you can prove it in your steering wheel.

By other side, its physics is still a doubt cause you can do things that is not supposed to do in real life and there are some improper reactions once in a while from just-God-knows-where.

So sometimes it feels and looks perfect, sometimes not, and the same can be said from rF. At least that is what I feel.

I think in both cases it is just a matter of use. In them both you can start feeling a good feedback once you understand how the things work in each. Yesterday night I decided to run in Toban Short with Ztypes just to remember 2004, and it was really immersive, too much deep and pleasant.

rFactor can be great, people just need to learn how to feel it. I say that for people from here, as the same manner I same that LFS is great for people from there. So, I understand your reasons for giving up of LFS, but I can't imagine myself doing the same

Back to the FFB discussion, here RBR was used as an example of good FFB, but it is just good after tweak the physics.lsp file. Before that, in its original mode, it has a bad lag, and the FFB does not feel very well. Apart from that, there is also the tarmac issue: in tarmac RBR is not "very good" to be polite.

I have said that I don't see any simulator as done, cause they are all still in development with too many lacks yet to be worked.

I swear I never see anyone saying a thing like that there, but if you are saying...

Anyway, I don't think to bash rFactor community is a good idea neither the way to guide this tasteful conversation, so, please...